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                                                                    Ravil Kalmykov

"Listener" has asked:

You do however propose that there are real instances of chance. These (according to your theory) occur at the interface between whole-world determinism and local-world or ring determinism.

The assumption that you seem to be making is that the two kinds of determinism are not synchronised; that whole world determinism goes on at its pace and that ring determinism goes on at an independent pace. If the paces are variable and determined locally then you seem to have a valid point!...

The implication of course is that where the two determinisms interface, the outcome is true random chance - which would imply that any one of a number of different futures is theoretically possible from any given starting point.

Would you like to enlarge on your position?

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You have set really interesting question. The most rewarding for all time of arguing of idea at different forums. And by that you have forced me to advance idea more deeply.

 Nevertheless I hardly think that chance at all does not touch an external world and its conventional determinism. It is specific characteristic of field of life of an organism and its immanent ring determinism. It seems to me pertinent to illustrate a situation of a withstanding of two determinisms with help of an example of knob on a skin.

 Knob is an integral part of an organism, an integument, however has the special additional properties, the special form and frame, the exclusive intrinsic life, that is subjected to the special additional determinism.

 In knob it is possible to choose a central part, a nucleus where pathogenic force is strongest, and peripherals where pathogenic force is relaxed with moving off from the center. However here and there some of processes flow just as in remaining normal fields of a skin, and on some other of processes the transforming effect of intrinsic determining origin in addition superimposes.   Therefore it is impossible to consider knob as bodily alien external formation. This pathological aboriginal addition to a dermal cloth, a local deckhouse above her. If the routine dermal determinism works on all surface of a skin, switching knob, the specific determinism of knob works only in its natural restricted limens. In it their key difference.

 The same is possible to say about a situation of a withstanding of a specific intrinsic determinism of an organism and a routine determinism of world around.  There are no regions where there would be no routine determinism. It represented everywhere. However there, where there is the singular intrinsic determinism, last works as the component, addition, a deckhouse to a routine determinism. This intrinsic determinism can in determined places and in determined time to strengthen, to relax, to regulate, to transform, to complicate, to organize forces of a routine determinism. Processes and events in relevant region for an organism develop in this case under effect of the aggregate operation of intrinsic and external origins according to the law of addition of partial forces.  As a matter of convenience comprehensions of a situation I resort to the help of figure.                                       

 Fig. 1. A service area of an intrinsic determinism in a section.

 1 - zone of the sure operation of an intrinsic determinism.

2 - zone of a uncertain operation of an intrinsic determinism.

X - relevant remoteness from the center of the determining ring,

Y - action potential of the intrinsic origin, possible intensity of effect.                                                        

 Fig. 2. The same - the view from above.

 In zone 1 the intrinsic determining origin is strong enough, at first, to conduct intensively the own line, to bend in one's will surrounding objects and processes. Second, zone 1 is well mastered and investigated range where the intrinsic determinism, having adequate knowledge of forces of external determinism, can well match with them the operations and intentions.

 You used the term "synchronize", but the term "harmonize" to me it seems more pertinent. This zone is spread to an organism and on the proximal, habitual, well mastered part of environment. 

 2 - it is zone with feeble actualization where weight of an intrinsic determinism is too feeble to influence effectively events and processes and it is feeble even to watch a situation in details, to gain adequate idea about external objects, processes and forces. Therefore the knowledge of a current and forthcoming situation in the given zone is less precise, less determined. Here just chance (contingency), which is occasionally accepted as an unexpected destructive action of external forces appears on the scene. Therefore here it is necessary to change precise research techniques for probabilistic evaluations. Here frequently defect of prognostic function of an intrinsic determinism which appears as absence of precise evaluations of a situation, as errors in reckonings, as blunders in operations, and as in summary not achievement of a purpose becomes apparent.

 Actually separation to zones 1 and 2 is enough conditional also made up as a matter of convenience comprehensions of a situation, the same way, as separation on a nucleus and peripherals in a body of knob. This situation can be mapped also as a trend: the more far from the center of intrinsic determining ring, the there is more indefiniteness and randomness in life of an organism.

 So, in a surrounding material world there is no place of randomness (chance). Chance appears in additional world of life of the person, animal and any other organism or a self-organizing system, and only in that its peripheral part as which it is possible to term as zone an uncertain operation of a specific additional intrinsic determinism. I meant just this second zone, when with enthusiasm spoke about a border zone of contact of two determinisms.